Gee. I guess I never knew "Kigs" was a lady. Guess it really doesn't make any difference, does it?
I think every question and problem should be posted here. What else would we talk about and beat to death if we did not have other's problems to think about. It's kinda like a soap opera based on the 305. We have our sorted out, but come here to listen and share in the problems of others. Guess it's therapy.
Why I really like to see all the issues sorted out here instead of in PMs is everyone benefits from the exchange. Even LM learned something new in this one!
Besides, if we did not have this place to talk about our bikes, we'd have to talk to our spouses and girlfriends (boyfriends) about them and we all know how popular that conversation would be with the other half.
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Rob
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Think I'm missing some parts!
Ditto, Rob.......and.......I don't think a subject is beat to death till there are enough facts discovered to reach a conclusion.
We still don't know for sure if any early Dreams came new with the square bowl, push tube inlet carbs, or why Kigs tube is 1/2" short. Hopefully she will not hesitate to post measurements from a second supplier.
I did conclude that 1 1/2 minus 1.45 is not 1/2"! Sorry again, Kigs, your reply beat my edit!
The search for truth continues.......peace!
We still don't know for sure if any early Dreams came new with the square bowl, push tube inlet carbs, or why Kigs tube is 1/2" short. Hopefully she will not hesitate to post measurements from a second supplier.
I did conclude that 1 1/2 minus 1.45 is not 1/2"! Sorry again, Kigs, your reply beat my edit!
The search for truth continues.......peace!
66 dream, 78 cb750k, 02fz1, 09 wing
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LOUD MOUSE
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I have a square bowl with thread in gas tube here.
Years back I had a square bowl issue and the bowl was held in place with small screws.
Turns out it was a early domestic issue. (1958/59?)
I just checked my CA77 parts book (old and dirty but no date) and low and behold it shows the CB/CL72/77 banjo and not the brass tube.
I then checked 4 CA77 fiche, 1977/1978/1991/1993.
Then 2 CA72 fiche, 1974, 1977. and all show the banjo.
Why none of them show the brass issue I can't say.
The part number for what they show (banjo) is 250 (I suspect this is the threaded brass tube) and when I looked at the fiche for the CB77 carbs there is no part number shown.
As ya check your parts info ya will see that many carb parts were not offered a spare parts.
I've had many of these carbs in hand and never seen the banjo installed. ???????????
All refer to "round bowl-square bowl" but don't show a engine number for the change.
Also none of my data shows the screen in the inlet.
?????????????????. .........lm
Years back I had a square bowl issue and the bowl was held in place with small screws.
Turns out it was a early domestic issue. (1958/59?)
I just checked my CA77 parts book (old and dirty but no date) and low and behold it shows the CB/CL72/77 banjo and not the brass tube.
I then checked 4 CA77 fiche, 1977/1978/1991/1993.
Then 2 CA72 fiche, 1974, 1977. and all show the banjo.
Why none of them show the brass issue I can't say.
The part number for what they show (banjo) is 250 (I suspect this is the threaded brass tube) and when I looked at the fiche for the CB77 carbs there is no part number shown.
As ya check your parts info ya will see that many carb parts were not offered a spare parts.
I've had many of these carbs in hand and never seen the banjo installed. ???????????
All refer to "round bowl-square bowl" but don't show a engine number for the change.
Also none of my data shows the screen in the inlet.
?????????????????. .........lm
brewsky wrote:Ditto, Rob.......and.......I don't think a subject is beat to death till there are enough facts discovered to reach a conclusion.
We still don't know for sure if any early Dreams came new with the square bowl, push tube inlet carbs, or why Kigs tube is 1/2" short. Hopefully she will not hesitate to post measurements from a second supplier.
I did conclude that 1 1/2 minus 1.45 is not 1/2"! Sorry again, Kigs, your reply beat my edit!
The search for truth continues.......peace!
Last edited by LOUD MOUSE on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
My66 (or maybe 65) CA77 has the same, even though the parts book shows the banjo setup. I got a second carb off a 66 that also had the straight , screw in fuel nipple. Both are square bowls.LOUD MOUSE wrote:I have a square bowl with thread in gas tube here. ...........lm
brewsky wrote:Ditto, Rob.......and.......I don't think a subject is beat to death till there are enough facts discovered to reach a conclusion.
We still don't know for sure if any early Dreams came new with the square bowl, push tube inlet carbs, or why Kigs tube is 1/2" short. Hopefully she will not hesitate to post measurements from a second supplier.
I did conclude that 1 1/2 minus 1.45 is not 1/2"! Sorry again, Kigs, your reply beat my edit!
The search for truth continues.......peace!
I was always under the impression that round bowls were the standard on Dreams until sometime in 1963 production, then went to square bowls, but the parts book I have doesn't make any delineation in serial numbers, just shows a round/square bowl choice for the bowl gasket.
It also doesn't show a straight, screw in fuel inlet choice.
It also doesn't show a push in joint choice.
I do know that the banjo setup is better for the Dream as far as positioning the hoses.
I think her concerns about having the right carb have been addressed, since with the correct size, (22mm), correct jets and needle, it should be good even though it MAY have come from another bike.
I guess we won't know for sure about the original issue question unless we find one installed and have the original buyers testimony that it was never changed.
Last edited by brewsky on Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:08 am, edited 1 time in total.
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I really do appreciate all the help I've been getting in here. I guess I didn't go out of my way to say I was a woman because sometimes I dont' get taken seriously. Like when I go to the auto parts store or the dealership looking for parts....."Now why are you gettin' your hands all dirty little lady....you shouldn't be doing this kinda man's work!" Don't worry...I don't plan on rebuilding my engine, I just want to know the basics so I can do my own maintenance and try to get myself back home if I break down. I will let you know what happens if I order a new air tube. I'm SO curious about that. I used the green locktite and put the brass tube back in so I should be able to put the carb back on tonight after work. I may pick up the one on ebay if the price is right, but I think I'm fine with using what I have. I know it may not be the carb that was supposed to be on this bike, I just wish I knew if it originally came with the bike. Like LM said, they may have run out of that sprecific carb when they were building it, and used a different carb that would still work. I've learned alot about carbs this week and I can take it off and put it back on with my eyes closed now! I am no longer afraid of carbs!
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I added some info to my last post and as I was typing ya got ahead of me.
What I meant when I stated "made more" was that after the last bike was shipped and stock ran out HONDA put out a request for suppliers to build those parts. $$$$
This is one reason that several parts have minor changes when ya get one as each time HONDA decided to produce more of these bikes ya see minor changes. (check engine#/frame#) and ya will see this.
The part may have been produced by another supplier not the previous one. .....lm
What I meant when I stated "made more" was that after the last bike was shipped and stock ran out HONDA put out a request for suppliers to build those parts. $$$$
This is one reason that several parts have minor changes when ya get one as each time HONDA decided to produce more of these bikes ya see minor changes. (check engine#/frame#) and ya will see this.
The part may have been produced by another supplier not the previous one. .....lm
Kigsby wrote:I really do appreciate all the help I've been getting in here. I guess I didn't go out of my way to say I was a woman because sometimes I dont' get taken seriously. Like when I go to the auto parts store or the dealership looking for parts....."Now why are you gettin' your hands all dirty little lady....you shouldn't be doing this kinda man's work!" Don't worry...I don't plan on rebuilding my engine, I just want to know the basics so I can do my own maintenance and try to get myself back home if I break down. I will let you know what happens if I order a new air tube. I'm SO curious about that. I used the green locktite and put the brass tube back in so I should be able to put the carb back on tonight after work. I may pick up the one on ebay if the price is right, but I think I'm fine with using what I have. I know it may not be the carb that was supposed to be on this bike, I just wish I knew if it originally came with the bike. Like LM said, they may have run out of that sprecific carb when they were building it, and used a different carb that would still work. I've learned alot about carbs this week and I can take it off and put it back on with my eyes closed now! I am no longer afraid of carbs!
OK...last question I promise. I don't want to beat this horse to death, but I'm just curious. I was just looking at the one on ebay again and comparing it to mine. Mine looks like it has a round float bowl bottom and the one on ebay looks more oval. Is that just my bad eyesight or is that another difference between carbs?
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