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britman
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To X or Not

Post by britman » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:26 am

Ok, she is opened up on the bench for the whole world to see. Everything is coming out for a good cleaning and inspection. I have read every thread on here at least three times concerning Xing the the gears and still haven't made up my mind. Does the draw back of a wide 3rd to 4th out weigh the benefit of a close ratio in the first three? BTW bike is a CL77 and I will be running a 15t/34t combo. I am waiting on my seal kit before reassembly and sure would appreciate any helpful comments one way or the other. I think when this bike is done I will owe allot of people on this site a cold beer, the only draw back is the drive to Va.
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Post by davomoto » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:38 am

Britman, I have owned and ridden CB77s with both stock and Xed gears, and hands down for me Xed is much better. Most of my riding is either in town, or through the twisties, although we also have some awsome open backroads around here as well. I have Xed the gears in 6 of my 305 engines, and for me it's the only way to go. That said, it is a personal thing, and you'll have to make your decision based on the type of riding you'll be doing.

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Re: To X or Not

Post by LOUD MOUSE » Sat Nov 29, 2008 11:56 am

Are the splines on the Kick Shaft twisted? If the Shift Forks are only slightly warn (tips) I recommend you install the worst on the Shift Drum first and the better one last. Check the Shift Rollers and if you see any wear (usually 1/2 may be warn) I recommend you replace both. Check K/S for ware about 3 inches from the spline end for a wear groove where the 1/4 inch rollers run. . .................lm

britman wrote:Ok, she is opened up on the bench for the whole world to see. Everything is coming out for a good cleaning and inspection. I have read every thread on here at least three times concerning Xing the the gears and still haven't made up my mind. Does the draw back of a wide 3rd to 4th out weigh the benefit of a close ratio in the first three? BTW bike is a CL77 and I will be running a 15t/34t combo. I am waiting on my seal kit before reassembly and sure would appreciate any helpful comments one way or the other. I think when this bike is done I will owe allot of people on this site a cold beer, the only draw back is the drive to Va.
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Re: To X or Not

Post by britman » Sun Nov 30, 2008 11:10 am

LOUD MOUSE wrote:Are the splines on the Kick Shaft twisted? If the Shift Forks are only slightly warn (tips) I recommend you install the worst on the Shift Drum first and the better one last. Check the Shift Rollers and if you see any wear (usually 1/2 may be warn) I recommend you replace both. Check K/S for ware about 3 inches from the spline end for a wear groove where the 1/4 inch rollers run. . .................lm


LM,

Splines are fine. As an old brick layer told me about an odd pattern lay out on a chimney he was laying, "It's an Optical Contusion" this one caused by the camera. I will check the wear points you mentioned today. This afternoon, Mothers Polish and fine steel wool on the stripped cases. It's a cold rainy day, so perfect garage time weather for it. Sure wish the "Fat Man" in the red suit would show up with a beading cabinet one Xmas though.

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Post by britman » Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:20 pm

I pulled the K/S shaft gears today. No great wear that I can see. Rollers look fine as well as the shaft. The 14 mm bushing still has good oil grooves an no noticeable play. Even the pawl looks good. BTW the bushing goes back with the oil hole opposite the pawl, correct? I don't think I reversed it but want to be sure. I should be picking up my head and cylinders tomorrow and a NOS Honda head gasket hopefully will arrive today. Tonight I celebrate 23 years of marriage this time around, but the rest of the weekend should be free and guess what I am going to be doing??? The pay back is a complete remodel of the master bathroom for the Better Half. That is going to run more than a CL77 refurbish but maybe that's why it has lasted 23 years.
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Post by e3steve » Thu Dec 11, 2008 9:00 am

I've been watching & reading-up wherever I see this subject. I think I'll be X-ing mine; it will suit my riding style / routes, offering slightly lower -- and, consequently, more usable -- 2nd & 3rd ratios. The greater difference between 3rd & 4th won't really affect my rides, as I rarely use the motorways here in Majorca; car drivers are too dismissive of slower-travelling and vulnerable motorcyclists. 120-140km/h (75-85mph) is not uncommon here; I tend to stick to 60-65mph (100-110km/h), but drivers pass so bloody close sometimes! And I try to respect my motor by keeping my riding as sensible as possible, although it's nice to yomp away from a light and surprise those who think it's too old to show a clean pair of heels!

I'd say that, for town-riding in traffic, closer 1/2/3 ratios will be an advantage, as it does slog a bit -- which can't do the chain any favours -- when 2nd is preferable and 1st's too low.

We'll see.....

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Post by bfd402 » Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:58 am

I X'd the transmission in my vintage race bike and I'm glad I did. The shifting points feel even enough to me that I don't have to conciously have to ride around a flat spot anywhere. Unfortunately I can't compare it to the original ratios or spend much time in 1st or 2nd so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

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