Clutch bundle wires: "to be or not to be"?

[Dana01]

Bill Silver says to toss em because if they break they cause problems. Others says w/o them clutch disengagement can be a problem because the springs help keep the plates separate.

Two questions:

1) for those who left them out: has clutch engage/disengage ever been a problem? ie. the plates not separating enough.

2) for those who left them in: have any ever broke and caused pieces to fall into nasty places?

My guess: they are fine where they are. Sorry Mr. Silver, I just reassembled my clutch plates and put them back.

But I do want to know what others think.

[brewsky]

When I replaced my sticking plates at 13,000 miles, I also re-installed the wires since they didn't look rusty, bent, or chaffed. No problems since.

[LOUD MOUSE]

As happens all to many times when ya put something in print and it isn't totally correct it comes around over and over.
The Clutch Wires is one of those things.
I informed Bill of the spring myth several years ago but what's in print can't be changed.
The early clutch had a Thin First Steel Plate which would warp back from the friction disc from heat as the assy would start to slip over time.
(thin plastic sort of friction disc)
HONDA issued a thick (twice as thick as the first) which cured the warp problem but it covered the first wire slot which caused the others to be covered also.
"SO WE "HAD" TO LEAVE THE WIRES OUT".
Later HONDA issued a center which had the wire slots in the correct location for the new steel plate and aluminum core friction disc.
I've never seen/heard of the wires actually breaking! ......................lm

Bill Silver says to toss em because if they break they cause problems. Others says w/o them clutch disengagement can be a problem because the springs help keep the plates separate.

Two questions:

1) for those who left them out: has clutch engage/disengage ever been a problem? ie. the plates not separating enough.

2) for those who left them in: have any ever broke and caused pieces to fall into nasty places?

My guess: they are fine where they are. Sorry Mr. Silver, I just reassembled my clutch plates and put them back.

But I do want to know what others think.

[cyclon36]

As happens all to many times when ya put something in print and it isn't totally correct it comes around over and over.
The Clutch Wires is one of those things.
I informed Bill of the spring myth several years ago but what's in print can't be changed.
The early clutch had a Thin First Steel Plate which would warp back from the friction disc from heat as the assy would start to slip over time.
(thin plastic sort of friction disc)
HONDA issued a thick (twice as thick as the first) which cured the warp problem but it covered the first wire slot which caused the others to be covered also.
"SO WE "HAD" TO LEAVE THE WIRES OUT".
Later HONDA issued a center which had the wire slots in the correct location for the new steel plate and aluminum core friction disc.
I've never seen/heard of the wires actually breaking! ......................lm

Has anybody made a list here or elsewhere that talks about what parts of silver's manual need to be updated or are not relevant anymore like this issue? I would love to know about any other discrepancies that have come up.

[Dana01]

Thanks guys! Glad I left them in.

Interesting.

Yes, the print has been out a while and could probably use a dust-off.

[LOUD MOUSE]

Tis my hobby not a job and I don't put things in actual print as this sort of thing comes along often. ...............lm

As happens all to many times when ya put something in print and it isn't totally correct it comes around over and over.
The Clutch Wires is one of those things.
I informed Bill of the spring myth several years ago but what's in print can't be changed.
The early clutch had a Thin First Steel Plate which would warp back from the friction disc from heat as the assy would start to slip over time.
(thin plastic sort of friction disc)
HONDA issued a thick (twice as thick as the first) which cured the warp problem but it covered the first wire slot which caused the others to be covered also.
"SO WE "HAD" TO LEAVE THE WIRES OUT".
Later HONDA issued a center which had the wire slots in the correct location for the new steel plate and aluminum core friction disc.
I've never seen/heard of the wires actually breaking! ......................lm

Has anybody made a list here or elsewhere that talks about what parts of silver's manual need to be updated or are not relevant anymore like this issue? I would love to know about any other discrepancies that have come up.

[Dgormley]

Dana, I took mine out when I went through my clutch because of what I read in the BS manual. My clutch works fine, but my bike has never sat for more than a few days without being ridden at least a little bit...............................D