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CB77 1964

Post by Waveblaster » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:33 pm

Hello I wanted to share a few pictures around my CB77 build in case anyone is interested.

After completing a rebuild restoration of a 1964 Dream I wanted to turn my attention to a Super Hawk. They are relatively rare in Australia and those who have are generally not willing to part. I managed to find one in rough condition at a dealer. I had to purchase a bunch of bikes in bits to obtain. A bit of a headache sorting out boxes of parts but swings and round abouts most of the parts are there. There was also a couple of dreams, cl72,cb77 1967. A pricey exercise...

As I am waiting for my next work contract I have found myself in the reverse position to normal. Relatively time rich and funding poor. The build was previously on a shoe string budget but currently more like dental floss!. I have tried to focus on spending money on the key areas. Superficial or cosmetic items I will address later as better funding presents itself.
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After much deliberation I decided on powder coating of the frame and swing arm. The heavy build is not quite period looking but smart non the less. I managed to get the frame swing arm and addtional components blasted for a very competitive price. Note th
After much deliberation I decided on powder coating of the frame and swing arm. The heavy build is not quite period looking but smart non the less. I managed to get the frame swing arm and addtional components blasted for a very competitive price. Note th
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Before photo, a bit of work ahead.
Before photo, a bit of work ahead.
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Post by Waveblaster » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:48 pm

I spent a lot of time messing with the head. Fitted new cam bearings. Interestingly the exhaust lobes had approx 2mm extra lift so I wanted to reuse this cam for potentially a bit extra performance perhaps. I struggled getting the cam together as the splines are a larger diameter. After a few failed attempts at installing I returned to the assortment of cam components to find the matching cam sprocket assembly.
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I have managed to get the lower case together. I fitted the kick start shaft bush supplied by Tim at classic honda restorations as well as new cotter / shims. The end float feels snug but smooth. I was happy with condition of the gears and dogs.
I have managed to get the lower case together. I fitted the kick start shaft bush supplied by Tim at classic honda restorations as well as new cotter / shims. The end float feels snug but smooth. I was happy with condition of the gears and dogs.
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Still havent found a home for this spacer, I cannot find it in the parts or clymer manual . Any ideas? Hopefully not internal but not a big effort to split the cases at this stage
Still havent found a home for this spacer, I cannot find it in the parts or clymer manual . Any ideas? Hopefully not internal but not a big effort to split the cases at this stage
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Post by Waveblaster » Sat Jun 07, 2014 11:02 pm

A bit of a progress photo.

Sitting the freshly painted tank on My first foray into the use of 2 part paint having previously been happy with Acrylic. Definitely more challenging to use but the depth of gloss off the gun is great.

Waiting on fork seals to arrived so I can get the front end built. Have fitted the chrome rear shock that were sitting in a box. I have the original back shroud units which I can fit once cleaned.

New bars and polished controls.

The motor was pretty tired. The barrels were very worn and the top ring almost non existent with the large lip o the barrel. 4th over pistons are now with the machine shop for boring.
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Post by G-Man » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:33 am

Greg

Looks like you're having fun! A few years ago I took 'early retirement' and collected quite a pile of old 60s Hondas to play with. Unfortunately my retirement only lasted a week and I ended up back at work. Work is slow but always fun.

Bikes are great therapy and time just flies when you are in the workshop.

I don't recognise the splined washer in your picture but there are only a couple of places where it might fit. Maybe someone tried to take up end float in the gearbox?


G
'60 C77 '60 C72 '62 C72 Dream '63 CL72
'61 CB72 '64 CB77 '65 CB160
'66 Matchless 350 '67 CL77
'67 S90 '77 CB400F

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Post by Waveblaster » Sun Jun 08, 2014 6:53 am

Cheers Graham

Good to hear your work gets you going.

Yes bikes seem to be quite cathartic. Or a mid life crisis according to my wife :). For me it is nice to rekindle my mechanical aptitude to balance the work I do normally.

Need to keep busy. Hence perhaps my numerous posts and questions of late.

re the spacer. I have found several amongst the nuts and bolts of a few bikes , one I found appears to be bronze. I dont believe they are an internal shim on the primary transmission shaft due to a thickness of 3mm. The end float measures 0.8mm. I tried to be clever and had my father who has a decent lathe machine a few different thickness shims for the right hand side of the shaft behind the bearing with a view to reduce end float. Unfortunately while we were machining I realised that the clutch basket may pull up this slack and it did, pushing the looseness to the output side. As the shims were mild steel and not polished I chose not to butt up against the friction surface of the phos bronze of the 4th gear. Hopefully 0.8mm end float wont be too much of a concern.

The spacer could fit around the clutch shaft but there isn't enough play. My money is as a spacer between the oil slinger drive sprocket and the tang lock spacer on the crank end. perhaps the splined spacer adds additional friction to the sprocket?

Greg

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Post by LOUD MOUSE » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:23 am

HONDA didn't install that part in any of the C/CA/CB/CL72/77 engines. .......lm
Waveblaster wrote:Cheers Graham

Good to hear your work gets you going.

Yes bikes seem to be quite cathartic. Or a mid life crisis according to my wife :). For me it is nice to rekindle my mechanical aptitude to balance the work I do normally.

Need to keep busy. Hence perhaps my numerous posts and questions of late.

re the spacer. I have found several amongst the nuts and bolts of a few bikes , one I found appears to be bronze. I dont believe they are an internal shim on the primary transmission shaft due to a thickness of 3mm. The end float measures 0.8mm. I tried to be clever and had my father who has a decent lathe machine a few different thickness shims for the right hand side of the shaft behind the bearing with a view to reduce end float. Unfortunately while we were machining I realised that the clutch basket may pull up this slack and it did, pushing the looseness to the output side. As the shims were mild steel and not polished I chose not to butt up against the friction surface of the phos bronze of the 4th gear. Hopefully 0.8mm end float wont be too much of a concern.

The spacer could fit around the clutch shaft but there isn't enough play. My money is as a spacer between the oil slinger drive sprocket and the tang lock spacer on the crank end. perhaps the splined spacer adds additional friction to the sprocket?

Greg

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Post by Waveblaster » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:44 am

Cheers LM

Appreciate your informed response. It will remain a true mystery.... At least I can feel confident to continue with the assembly now.

Greg

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